Comments on: An Aside | A Dance with Dragons Update http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/ A part of the Aidan Moher network Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:56:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Mario http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-6451 Mario Tue, 04 May 2010 16:28:30 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-6451 Now I've been waiting paitiently for a Dance With Dragons for a number of years now and I am still excited about the book. I can understand why some people are getting impatient, as I said it's been a number of years and the only thing that's come of it is that you have decided to turn it into more books. Still there is no reason for people to be hostile towards Mr. Martin for working on other projects.(The Man has got to make a living) As for Mr. Martin, I wish you all the luck with the HBO adaption and look forward to watching it, but please sir, at least finish A Dance as soon as possible and for what it's worth you will have my utmost gratitude and eternal devotion. For now I wait with baited breath. Now I’ve been waiting paitiently for a Dance With Dragons for a number of years now and I am still excited about the book. I can understand why some people are getting impatient, as I said it’s been a number of years and the only thing that’s come of it is that you have decided to turn it into more books. Still there is no reason for people to be hostile towards Mr. Martin for working on other projects.(The Man has got to make a living) As for Mr. Martin, I wish you all the luck with the HBO adaption and look forward to watching it, but please sir, at least finish A Dance as soon as possible and for what it’s worth you will have my utmost gratitude and eternal devotion. For now I wait with baited breath.

]]> By: Kelly http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-6253 Kelly Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:35:38 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-6253 Some of you people need to get out and get a life. If this series is never finished (and let's face it, there are no guarantees for any of us living past today)so what? Yes, they are excellent books, and yes I would love to have the enjoyment of finishing it (within the author's timeline) but there are always other books to read, movies to watch and, seriously, a life to live. Get out of YOUR HOUSES!! The man is enjoying himself and you are NOT ENTITLED to another book, or another 3 or however many it's going to take to finish up. For the fellow who will just go to the library, good for you. I doubt Mr. Martin is going to miss the $$. Artists don't create art for the money, they do it because they are driven to. But art can't be all to life or you become a very boring person and your art will suffer for it. And last but not least, Saif, it's rediculous to say that Mr. Martin has a MORAL OBLIGATION to finish his series. Last Icheck it was still his to do with it as he so chooses. Get over yourself. I will fee blessed & excited when the next book comes out and grateful to be able to enter back into that wonderful kingdom that has been created for me to enjoy and to recommend to others. Some of you people need to get out and get a life. If this series is never finished (and let’s face it, there are no guarantees for any of us living past today)so what? Yes, they are excellent books, and yes I would love to have the enjoyment of finishing it (within the author’s timeline) but there are always other books to read, movies to watch and, seriously, a life to live. Get out of YOUR HOUSES!! The man is enjoying himself and you are NOT ENTITLED to another book, or another 3 or however many it’s going to take to finish up. For the fellow who will just go to the library, good for you. I doubt Mr. Martin is going to miss the $$. Artists don’t create art for the money, they do it because they are driven to. But art can’t be all to life or you become a very boring person and your art will suffer for it. And last but not least, Saif, it’s rediculous to say that Mr. Martin has a MORAL OBLIGATION to finish his series. Last Icheck it was still his to do with it as he so chooses. Get over yourself. I will fee blessed & excited when the next book comes out and grateful to be able to enter back into that wonderful kingdom that has been created for me to enjoy and to recommend to others.

]]> By: Saif http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5552 Saif Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:35:56 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-5552 Of course there is a moral obligation for him to finish what he started. If ASOIAF had been sold originally as a series with no ending (or even a series which would be concluded anywhere between fifteen and thirty years later) neither I nor many other readers would have bought it. GRRM has sold books and made money on the assumption that he will deliver the end of the story. And, while I don't necessarily say that ASOIAF should be on the top of his priority list purely because of its financial success, I do think he should give it time before his other commitments/interests on the basis that he has taken year after year on it. I would consider it a very basic ethic to finish what you start, and to not start new projects until you're done with old ones. All writers should owe something to their readers - that's what they get their royalties for. Of course there is a moral obligation for him to finish what he started. If ASOIAF had been sold originally as a series with no ending (or even a series which would be concluded anywhere between fifteen and thirty years later) neither I nor many other readers would have bought it. GRRM has sold books and made money on the assumption that he will deliver the end of the story. And, while I don’t necessarily say that ASOIAF should be on the top of his priority list purely because of its financial success, I do think he should give it time before his other commitments/interests on the basis that he has taken year after year on it. I would consider it a very basic ethic to finish what you start, and to not start new projects until you’re done with old ones. All writers should owe something to their readers – that’s what they get their royalties for.

]]> By: Jim Smith http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5380 Jim Smith Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:21:13 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-5380 Why should there be a 'moral obligation' for GRRM to complete the series? Westeros is not his only concern. My only concern is that when it is published it will be crushed under an even heavier weight of expectation than AFFC. As a consequence it will not receive the balanced treatment it deserves. Why should there be a ‘moral obligation’ for GRRM to complete the series? Westeros is not his only concern. My only concern is that when it is published it will be crushed under an even heavier weight of expectation than AFFC. As a consequence it will not receive the balanced treatment it deserves.

]]> By: Isaac http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5361 Isaac Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:41:56 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-5361 I think the caustic tone of the comments that some have directed at GRRM (i.e. "60 and fat") are out of line. I do think that the underlying sentiment is justified, however. GRRM is able to pursue many lucrative activities (HBO mini-series, miniatures, travel to conferences, etc) only because these same fans that he whines about paid for the first four books of ASoIaF. While I realize that he is technically free to do whatever he wants with his time, I think there is some moral obligation for him to put the completion of the series at the top of his priority list. It is his job, after all. There are times when I miss out on things I would like to do (travel, watch football, blog) because of demands placed on me by my job. I personally think that GRRM has become complacent now that he has found financial success, and that he lacks the drive necessary to finish the series. I will still buy the remaining books when they come out, but I am doubtful that "A Dream of Spring" will ever become a reality. I think the caustic tone of the comments that some have directed at GRRM (i.e. “60 and fat”) are out of line. I do think that the underlying sentiment is justified, however. GRRM is able to pursue many lucrative activities (HBO mini-series, miniatures, travel to conferences, etc) only because these same fans that he whines about paid for the first four books of ASoIaF. While I realize that he is technically free to do whatever he wants with his time, I think there is some moral obligation for him to put the completion of the series at the top of his priority list. It is his job, after all. There are times when I miss out on things I would like to do (travel, watch football, blog) because of demands placed on me by my job. I personally think that GRRM has become complacent now that he has found financial success, and that he lacks the drive necessary to finish the series. I will still buy the remaining books when they come out, but I am doubtful that “A Dream of Spring” will ever become a reality.

]]> By: Dinkster http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-5293 Dinkster Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:30:32 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-5293 I am on the more forgiving side, and I'll surely buy it whenever it comes out. I do think sometimes though, about the fact that this is what he does for a living and I wonder how his dedication to his career would stand up to any other line of work. Still, I don't think he's a liar and any comments about him being "60 and fat" are... well, I can't even think of a word that adequately describes it. I am on the more forgiving side, and I’ll surely buy it whenever it comes out. I do think sometimes though, about the fact that this is what he does for a living and I wonder how his dedication to his career would stand up to any other line of work. Still, I don’t think he’s a liar and any comments about him being “60 and fat” are… well, I can’t even think of a word that adequately describes it.

]]> By: JakJ http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4647 JakJ Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:16:03 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-4647 George R. R. Martin is an artist and you can't rush creativity. I am willing to wait as long as it takes for him to finish and hopefully he isn't phased too heavily by these disgruntled fans; i wouldn't want his vision for Dance to be screwed by these relentless anti-fans. I can't lie I can't wait for Dance to come out but I know I'll just tear through it so quick and be looking for the next one. Hell, what am I going to do when the series is at and end? I've been reading "The Sword of Truth" by Terry Goodkind, but I have not found anything quite like "A Song of Ice and Fire". George R. R. Martin is an artist and you can’t rush creativity. I am willing to wait as long as it takes for him to finish and hopefully he isn’t phased too heavily by these disgruntled fans; i wouldn’t want his vision for Dance to be screwed by these relentless anti-fans.

I can’t lie I can’t wait for Dance to come out but I know I’ll just tear through it so quick and be looking for the next one. Hell, what am I going to do when the series is at and end? I’ve been reading “The Sword of Truth” by Terry Goodkind, but I have not found anything quite like “A Song of Ice and Fire”.

]]> By: Lena http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-4284 Lena Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:27:37 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-4284 I can't believe people can be so quick to call the delay pre-meditated on GRM's part, or to shoot him down on a "fan" page saying you'll be getting his book from a thrift store or something!? Let's face it- reading that can't exactly make the guy feel devoted to Dance with Dragon's for the sake of his fans.. I'm sorry the epic fantasy crowd has had so many "bad experiences" with delays, but it isn't confined to your branch of literature, you know. That GRM has even posted something when he knows it isn't what his fans want to hear is really unusual. ie-Anyone into epic historical fiction might know that the Earth's Children series hasn't been added to since 2002 and that no one's heard a peep out of her since 2006! Or that Gabaldon has taken eight years over her two last additions.. Anyway, I'm just trying to say that creativity isn't a constant, and that if GRM wrote other books between Ice and Fire- great! Maybe it'll give him more perspective and patience for his characters Ice- if not a greater appreciation for his fans, most of whom only checked out his other books to criticize (or so it seemed to me). I can’t believe people can be so quick to call the delay pre-meditated on GRM’s part, or to shoot him down on a “fan” page saying you’ll be getting his book from a thrift store or something!? Let’s face it- reading that can’t exactly make the guy feel devoted to Dance with Dragon’s for the sake of his fans..
I’m sorry the epic fantasy crowd has had so many “bad experiences” with delays, but it isn’t confined to your branch of literature, you know. That GRM has even posted something when he knows it isn’t what his fans want to hear is really unusual. ie-Anyone into epic historical fiction might know that the Earth’s Children series hasn’t been added to since 2002 and that no one’s heard a peep out of her since 2006! Or that Gabaldon has taken eight years over her two last additions..
Anyway, I’m just trying to say that creativity isn’t a constant, and that if GRM wrote other books between Ice and Fire- great! Maybe it’ll give him more perspective and patience for his characters Ice- if not a greater appreciation for his fans, most of whom only checked out his other books to criticize (or so it seemed to me).

]]> By: Charles http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-2885 Charles Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:02:54 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-2885 I am not one of those people who are full of venom and bile, but I can fully understand where the frustration comes in. I don't think fans are out of line by expressing their displeasure. We (the readers of epic fantasy) had bad experiences with Terry Goodkind, David Drake, and the tragedy of Robert Jordan's untimely demise. Consider what has happened, He finished the third book five years ago. That's when we were told of the POV split. My first thought was, good, that's fine that means most of the book has already been written. For a book he claimed to have written a great deal of already, it seemed to be taking a long time. Then, beginning in 2007, came the yearly announcements that he understood our frustration, but bear with him, he's working hard and he'll try to be done by June. A year went by and he said the same thing. Another year went by and he has said the same thing. MEANWHILE, he offers a neverending stream of tie in products and merchandise, making the delay seem suspiciously like an effort to draw out the cash. This at least is understandable. But what is not ok is the fact that he's working on other books, other anthologies and the even a book series from the 80's about superheros. I can understand the venom, but I don't share it, not anymore. I've moved past the anger and into despair. I don't think he'll finish the series. I honestly don't. Even if he does it will be at least 2020 and probably 2025 by the time it's done. Instead of singing its praises, I now advise readers against beginning the series. If (and that's a big if) he ever publishes Dance with Dragons, I won't buy it, I'll get it from the library and maybe pick up a soft cover from a used book store in a few years. A massive drop in expected sales may encourage him to make hay while the sun shines, finish your award winning, best selling, this is what everyone will remember long after you're gone series. When it's done, by all means, write about 1980's superheros. One last thought. Does anyone honestly think that the HBO executives are going to put less pressure on him if the pilot gets picked up? I am not one of those people who are full of venom and bile, but I can fully understand where the frustration comes in. I don’t think fans are out of line by expressing their displeasure. We (the readers of epic fantasy) had bad experiences with Terry Goodkind, David Drake, and the tragedy of Robert Jordan’s untimely demise. Consider what has happened, He finished the third book five years ago. That’s when we were told of the POV split. My first thought was, good, that’s fine that means most of the book has already been written. For a book he claimed to have written a great deal of already, it seemed to be taking a long time. Then, beginning in 2007, came the yearly announcements that he understood our frustration, but bear with him, he’s working hard and he’ll try to be done by June. A year went by and he said the same thing. Another year went by and he has said the same thing. MEANWHILE, he offers a neverending stream of tie in products and merchandise, making the delay seem suspiciously like an effort to draw out the cash. This at least is understandable. But what is not ok is the fact that he’s working on other books, other anthologies and the even a book series from the 80′s about superheros. I can understand the venom, but I don’t share it, not anymore. I’ve moved past the anger and into despair. I don’t think he’ll finish the series. I honestly don’t. Even if he does it will be at least 2020 and probably 2025 by the time it’s done. Instead of singing its praises, I now advise readers against beginning the series. If (and that’s a big if) he ever publishes Dance with Dragons, I won’t buy it, I’ll get it from the library and maybe pick up a soft cover from a used book store in a few years. A massive drop in expected sales may encourage him to make hay while the sun shines, finish your award winning, best selling, this is what everyone will remember long after you’re gone series. When it’s done, by all means, write about 1980′s superheros. One last thought. Does anyone honestly think that the HBO executives are going to put less pressure on him if the pilot gets picked up?

]]> By: A Dribble of Ink » Blog Archive » An Aside | Why The Wise Man’s Fear is still not done http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-2746 A Dribble of Ink » Blog Archive » An Aside | Why The Wise Man’s Fear is still not done Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:17:36 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-2746 [...] Sounds familiar, eh? [...] [...] Sounds familiar, eh? [...]

]]> By: Zoe http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-2736 Zoe Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:34:07 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-2736 I'll tell you what, if it was me I'd just be chuffed that so many people care about my story. I’ll tell you what, if it was me I’d just be chuffed that so many people care about my story.

]]> By: Eric http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-2735 Eric Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:00:50 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-2735 Thanks, Aidan, for posting these remarks from GRRM. It is great to know that this is moving forward. Some of the comments that are coming from so-called fans are simply atrocious and unfortunate. I will continue to wait patiently for the next installment, and I'm sure that it will turn out great if GRRM takes the time to do the job right. Thanks, Aidan, for posting these remarks from GRRM. It is great to know that this is moving forward. Some of the comments that are coming from so-called fans are simply atrocious and unfortunate. I will continue to wait patiently for the next installment, and I’m sure that it will turn out great if GRRM takes the time to do the job right.

]]> By: dennis http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-2732 dennis Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:36:58 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-2732 I for one am happy to have an update of sorts... I have no problems with GRRM taking as much time as he needs, but sometimes I just like to know things are moving forward. I for one am happy to have an update of sorts… I have no problems with GRRM taking as much time as he needs, but sometimes I just like to know things are moving forward.

]]> By: hagelrat http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-2729 hagelrat Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:22:22 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-2729 sheesh. thanks for posting. I've never read grrm but i do feel that "write faster" should imply "because we love what you do" not "no really, why should we wait while you create. Pressure will be applied". sheesh. thanks for posting. I’ve never read grrm but i do feel that “write faster” should imply “because we love what you do” not “no really, why should we wait while you create. Pressure will be applied”.

]]> By: Ben http://aidanmoher.com/blog/2009/02/asides/an-aside-a-dance-with-dragons-update/comment-page-1/#comment-2728 Ben Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:19:41 +0000 http://aidanmoher.com/blog/?p=591#comment-2728 Someone has actually emailed him and said that he is "sixty and fat?" That is just awful. Gosh. Someone has actually emailed him and said that he is “sixty and fat?” That is just awful. Gosh.

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