{"id":7262,"date":"2011-11-22T01:15:53","date_gmt":"2011-11-22T09:15:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aidanmoher.com\/blog\/?p=7262"},"modified":"2012-03-19T13:05:32","modified_gmt":"2012-03-19T21:05:32","slug":"guest-post-on-rothfuss-and-grrm-or-how-many-povs-is-too-many-by-bradley-p-beaulieu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aidanmoher.com\/blog\/2011\/11\/articles\/guest-post-on-rothfuss-and-grrm-or-how-many-povs-is-too-many-by-bradley-p-beaulieu\/","title":{"rendered":"Guest Post | ‘On Rothfuss and GRRM’ or ‘How Many POVs is Too Many?’ by Bradley P. Beaulieu"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"The<\/a>My friends, sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for. When I first started talking to Aidan about a guest post on A Dribble of Ink<\/em>, I thought of a couple of subjects that seemed easy at the time. The first<\/a> was about the differences between writing a Book 1 in a series vs. its sequel. The second was about finding the sweet spot in terms of the number of POV characters for an epic fantasy. The first one was pretty easy to knock out, because it was more about relating my experiences over the course of writing the first and second novels in my trilogy. This second one, though, has been a tough nut to crack.<\/p>\n

Why? That’s a fair question, because let’s face it: on the surface this question is easy to answer. How many POVs do you need? However many the story needs to tell it effectively. While I believe this to be true, it’s also about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. It doesn’t really illuminate the choices that have to be made with respect to POV, so I think what I’ll try to do is examine the question using two epics I’ve read recently.<\/p>\n

On the one extreme, we have George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire<\/em>. How many POVs does Martin have now? A few dozen between A Feast for Crows<\/em> and A Dance with Dragons<\/em>, which really comprise a single novel broken up geographically (as opposed to breaking a large novel up temporally). Had anyone told an editor twenty years ago that they were going to start a series in which the novels would expand to twenty POV characters, they would have been laughed out of New York. And yet, here it is, a masterful story with a scope about as wide as you can have in fiction.
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\nAs big a fan as I am, this is not something I will attempt in the early parts of my career. In fact, I’m not sure if I’ll ever attempt it. First of all, I don’t know how much room there is in the field for another Big Fat Fantasy Epic. The market is a bit cornered at the moment, and I don’t know about you, but I’ve seen signs of readers shying away from such big series, especially when they’re in an unfinished state. People don’t want to wait years between books, and this, like it or not, is what it takes with a story of such scope. But beyond these concerns, I’m simply not the writer Martin is. With an extremely deft hand, he makes you care about those various people, those various threads. He makes them all compelling, even if you don’t love them. I remember reading A Game of Thrones<\/em> for the first time and having a feeling of being let down when POVs switched\u2014an exhalation, so to speak. I was so drawn into the previous POV that I didn’t want to switch\u2014I was invested in that character\u2014but damned if Martin didn’t make me care about the new POV in short order to the point that, by the time that new chapter ended, I had the same let down feeling for that character.<\/p>\n

\"A<\/a>One of the reasons Martin is so good at keeping the story interesting is that he’s a wizard at making you understand the characters he’s writing about, and by extension, generating sympathy for them. This is a skill that every writer needs for any POV character, but I think it becomes more important the more POVs you have for the simple fact that you have this mental exhalation at the end of each chapter. Beyond this, though, I think the large number of POVs work because they manage to, over the course of not just a single novel but all the novels in the series so far, to understand and care for the world at large. You become invested in what happened to the various houses in the months and years leading up to the betrayal of the Targaryens. You care about the livelihood of not only the characters in each house, but the houses themselves. You care about the survival of Westeros as Daenerys secures her army and threatens to retake her throne and the building of the armies to the north of the Wall. And you care about the coming of winter and its manifestations that are so far only hinted at. And so on and so on.<\/p>\n

A natural question to ask, then, is: would I care about these things if I had only a few POV characters? A bit, maybe, but certainly not to the extent that I care about them now. I want the Starks to survive. I want Westeros to survive. And at the same time, I don’t want to see Jaime or Tyrion strung up, because I care about them, too. And I want Daenerys to get her revenge. This, to me, is the brilliance of Martin’s writing: he finds a way to make you shift your own sympathies by placing you in the POV of a character you once hated, or at least mistrusted. And he would have none of this without those cadres of POVs. In no other novels that I’ve read is the aphorism that every character is a hero in their own story more clearly on display.<\/p>\n

So what can we glean from epic stories like Martin’s? That many POVs need not be a burden. That they can shed light on culture or religion or race where a single or few POVs cannot. That they can tell a wider tale\u2014a meta story, if you will, a gestalt that could not be achieved with fewer POVs.<\/p>\n

And then we have something like Patrick Rothfuss’s Kingkiller Chronicles<\/em>. This is certainly epic fantasy, yes? And yet it manages to be epic with primarily two POVs. (I know, Kvothe is the primary character in both the frame story and the story as written by the Chronicler, but those two young men\u2014the Kvothe of the University and Kvothe the innkeeper\u2014are so different that I can’t quite bring myself to call it a single POV.) Bast has a few POV chapters as well, but by and large this is a story about the young Kvothe. Let’s not forget, though, that Kvothe the innkeeper plays a very important role. It is through him that we see what the young Kvothe becomes, and this in itself is a certain type of mystery, a tension, that the reader wants to eventually learn the answers to, and so the frame story deepens the wonder of the central story of young Kvothe. To look at it another way: it wouldn’t feel quite so epic without the frame story, would it? It is because we know the things he did\u2014or at least the legendary, almost mythical re-tellings of the things he did\u2014that it feels larger than young Kvothe’s tale.<\/p>\n

The Kingkiller Chronicles<\/em> doesn’t have the kind of scope that Martin achieves with A Song of Ice and Fire<\/em>. Far from it. It feels, in fact, rather small and linear by comparison. That’s strange to say of a series that has some 650,000 words to its name over the course of two books, and yet I think it’s true. But that isn’t really the point of Pat’s story. The point is to delve into a single character, a character that affected much of his world, a character that ballads were written about and who became a legend even before he left University, and to show you how it all happened\u2014how it really happened. It is as much about the creation of story\u2014the twisting of legend and the formation of legend on Kvothe’s part\u2014as it is about the story itself. Through Kvothe we get to see how such a man is made, and this is partly why it’s such a compelling read.<\/p>\n

\"The<\/a>It’s interesting to note that Rothfuss, like Martin, does manage to illuminate the world of the Four Corners and its various cultures and political viewpoints over the course of the two books. We see the life of a traveling troupe of Edema Ruh, we see the harsh life in Tarbean, the structured life of the students at the University, the militant, introspective life of the Ademre, life in the backwaters and byways, and the political intrigues of Severen. By necessity, since we only have the one POV, the plot goes through some gyrations to see these parts of the world. And here we come to the major weakness of a single-POV: we don’t see much of a meta-story, a story that shows the changing life of the world at large\u2014at least not as the story stands through two novels. And small wonder, because as I said, that isn’t really the point of the Kingkiller Chronicles.<\/p>\n

And so we have these two extremes. An epic told with a single character and an epic told with many characters.<\/p>\n

When I started writing The Winds of Khalakovo<\/em>, I wanted only enough characters to tell the tale. There are nine duchies in the Grand Duchy of Anuskaya, and they bicker and war like any other set of medieval houses, but early on I decided that I would have only two characters\u2014Princess Atiana and Prince Nikandr, two young nobles that are set to be married at the opening of the story. I chose two because later on in the tale, the Grand Duchy fractures internally, falling into two historically allied camps\u2014the north and the south\u2014and Atiana and Nikandr play proxy to those Duchies as the Dukes bicker and tensions begin to boil.<\/p>\n

And yet, there are other things afoot. The Duchies are stepping closer to war because one of the indigenous people becomes involved in the death of the Grand Duke. An assassination, the Dukes say, though they don’t have direct evidence. The indigenous people are peace loving\u2014they abhor violence as a means to an end\u2014and yet a splinter group known as the Maharraht forms to force the Grand Duchy from the islands they once controlled. I tried various techniques of showing the viewpoints of the Maharraht through the eyes of Atiana and Nikandr, but they are an enemy of the Grand Duchy, and they are by necessity secretive, so I found myself performing all sorts of literary yoga poses to reveal their side of the story. It wasn’t working, and I felt it necessary to add a third POV: Nikandr’s lover, Rehada, who is also a spy for the Maharraht.<\/p>\n

I could have left her POV off, but had I done so, I wouldn’t have been able to explore those things I wanted to explore in the novel: namely, what it takes to push peace-loving people to violence, and what they feel about it once they’d done so, plus a host of other smaller issues. For me, it was absolutely crucial to have that third POV.<\/p>\n

And so I guess this is a long-winded way of saying: yes, it’s true, the number of POV characters you need is the number you need to tell the story effectively. But of course it’s not so simple as that. I think one should try hard to avoid adding extra POVs. There should be clearcut goals for the addition, because there is a price to pay for adding too many. It can add distance and confusion and just plain get in the way of the enjoyment of the story the readers care about the most. But if the story is partially about something larger than the characters\u2014or if there’s critical information or viewpoints or lifestyles (and I use this word as a proxy for cultural or religious or racial or sexual views) that you feel the reader needs\u2014then by all means, add them. It just means you have more work to do to make each of the threads compelling. And not only this, you have to keep doing it, over and over, because as you switch back and forth between POVs, you have to “pick the story up” quickly from where you last left off. If you don’t, you run the risk of having one or more of your threads lag behind the others, and that’s the last thing you want.<\/p>\n

So think carefully about your POVs. Look to your exemplars to see how they did it. Remember: there’s nothing you can’t do in fiction, but by the same token, there are prices to pay for every decision you make. So choose wisely.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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